Hello,

I have just bought a Porsche 944 in Duitsland, and I need to know what the procedure is for bringing the car to NL and registering it properly. The car is early 1984 (so qualifies as an oldtimer in January), and its German registration is expired a week ago, so it is now without plates. It has TUV till 2010.

I have been living in the Netherlands for just 3 months (Eindhoven region), so I am not familiar yet with the rules and regulations here.

I need your help to guide me through the exact process I need to do, where I do it, and how, and the order to do it in etc.
As far as I have managed to understand so far, this is the process:
Please help me fill in the missing details, make sure the sequence is correct, and add anything else that I may have missed.

Also, forgive me if this information is already posted on the site somewhere. I haven't yet learned Dutch, so I'm not able to search the site.
If this info does already exist in the site, please give me the link, and I'll manage to read and translate it

1. Arrange temporary insurance for temporary plates (what do I need to tell the insurance? is there a normal name for this kind of insurance? Any idea how much it is likely to cost?)

2. Get temporary NL plates and take them with me to put on the car in Germany (Where and how do I do this? Do I need details like the chassis number? Do I have to show any proof of purchase or something else?)

3. Drive the car to NL on the temporary plates (how long are the temp. plates valid? how much do they cost?)

4. Take the car to have an APK (where do I do this? Do I pay road tax at the same time?)

5. Get fixed plates for the car (where do I do this? After this is the car registered in my name?)

6. Get insurance.


There are more questions that I am not sure about, and I would appreciate some help:

1. Do I need to go through customs somehow? I realise that for old cars there is no duty to be paid.

2. In January when the car is 25 years old, what do I need to do in order to enjoy the benefits of an oldtimer? Does it change status automatically? Or do I have to go somewhere and do something in order to get belastingvrij, and be eligible for cheaper insurance?

Thank you all in advance,

I'm very much looking forward to becoming a first-time Porsche driver,

Jeremy

Inburgeringscursus maar eerst?? Zo te horen heeft de beste man absoluut van niks nog kaas gegeten.. good luck anyway!

Wat ben jij ook een pomper zeg. Heb je liever dat hij in zn beste steenkolen nederlands wat probeert te vragen? Zn engels mankeert weinig aan.

Sorry, can't help you. I was just telling brian he was rude

It is possible to get export plates incl. insurance in Germany. Choice is 1 day or 1 week or so. Costs for 1 week is something like 100 euro. My guess is they will be issued on the VIN and perhaps a bill of sale. In the Netherlands you must go to RDW to have your car inspected and they will automatically MOT/APK it (assuming it passes that test of course). Once your car is inspected and BPM has been paid they will send you the paperwork. This will take 4 days or so. Then you can order your plates. Insurance is no problem. Just ask them to issue it on the VIN and give them the plates later on. I would wait until january to officially import it because you dont have to pay BPM at all if the car is >25 years. Status will be given automatically (as in no road tax). Classic insurance is possible with cars of (even) >8 years old or so. Just search on 'verzekering' to find the links. Limited milage insurances will mostly have an agreed value (based on an official appraisal report) payout.

you need the german papers. You go to the postoffice in germany and buy a set of export plates (incl insurance in the countries on the green card - Holland is on it) - about 90 euro's for 5 days incl the plates. You put the plates on your car and drive home.
The next morning, still on the german export plates, still insured, you drive to
Keuringsstation RDW Veldhoven
De Run 4412
5503 LR
Veldhoven

and make sure you are there before 7.30 o'clock. You'll have your car inspected (see Maartens post). APK is NOT automatically, but you can do it in one effort through (één moeite door ) for a bargain. You will have to say that you want the APK inspection too.

@ Jeremy,

1. First of all you need a COC (Certificate of Conformity) and original owners paper issued by your Porsche dealer. You need this for Holland to get your car registrated entitled to you.
2. This is very important: call your insurance company that you would like to get insurance for your car. For getting registrated they need the VIN (Vehicle Identity Number) of your car, check the carpapers. Tell them that your car is in Germany and that insurance must get started right away.
3. Get temporary German license plate; your dealer can handle this.
4. Call RDW (rdw.nl) to make an appointment for customs and an APK. They also deliver a temporary license plate. Bring your car to f*cking cold Holland.
5. Drive your car to the RDW-APK station for testing. If it passed the test, you will be forwarded to customs to pay taxes. The amount of taxes depends on the age of your car, the original price and accessories. At http://www.douane.nl you can check how much you have to pay. It's an oldtimer so you will not lose your pants.

Good luck!

1. you don't need that because the car is from germany. German carpaperwork will do
2. You don't need insurance because you will have that on your German export plates. Make sure that you insure your car in Holland on the VIN number however before this 5-day insurance ends!! On the VIN you can only have a WA-insurance and no allrisk insurance. That can be altered as soon as you have your paperwork from the RDW and your new dutch license plate number.
3. When you have bought it from a dealer. If it is a car from a private seller, you will have to arrange it yourself!
4. Don't make an appointment - it will take you in most of the cases a few days. Just go to Veldhoven and be there early. You can have your car inspected without an appointment - much quicker. If you can read dutch:
http://www.rdw.nl/nl/voertuigeigenaar/a ... spraak.htm

Sorry Faster...

That's not true mister Horn.

I've imported my Audi A6 and my insurance company (Centraal Beheer) insisted me to apply for an all-risk insurance (cause it was brandnew) if you're planning to bring your car from Germany to Holland. This way theft will also be covered

All your insurance need is the VIN-number

OK, I imported a 2006 Jeep Wrangler and could get NO allrisk insurance on the car on VIN number. And I called a lot of insurance company's. Maybe because your A6 was brandnew.

you have to keep asking, at first they say it is not possible, later on it is.
2 cars 1 bike imported,


robert

I think I did not l*l long enough...

Thanks guys for your replies!!

I think between you all I've got now a clearer picture.

The car is a private buy, so there's no dealer out there who can assist with the process. The seller isn't too good in English either, so I had to get a German friend to talk to him for me to make sure we're understanding each other.

Questions for Maarten - can the German Export Plates including insurance (I only need WA at this stage - low value car) be purchased at any post office? Or only at certain main branches?
Are they open on Saturday afternoons? (or a link where I can find out myself) If not, can I ask the seller to arrange this for me himself on Friday?
Do I need to return the plates to Germany afterwards?
Also, is there an alternative to German export plates that I can arrange from the Netherlands?

About your suggestion to wait till January before officially importing - Is there a legal way for me to keep, insure and drive the car in the Netherlands for a few months without officially importing it?

Thanks again to you all,
Jeremy

No, you need a "Zulassungsstelle" instead of a post office. I picked up my car yesterday near Koblenz. Last week, I asked at a local post office for the "uberfuhrungskenzeichen", but they told me to go to a Zulassungsstelle. Maybe the bigger post offices have the 'Zullassung' option, but definitely not at every post office. In my case, I was lucky that the private seller offered to arrange the 'Kurtzeitkenzeichen' (5 days) and combined it with his full insurance for his regular car. The Kurtzeitkenzeichen can only be purchased before 12:00, so you need to go early if you want to drive the same day.

The Dutch temporary plates are only valid on the day of the RDW-inspection, and therefor not suitable for driving from the border. I've driven home on the temporary German plates, with the appointment at the RDW as a backup plan in case I would have been stopped by the police.

JeroenSC

The "KFZ -Zulassungsstelle" are all closed on Saturday, at least in the region where I live in Germany.
Please check with your seller how the situation is in his region

OK, now you've confused me a bit....
What's the difference between a Straßenverkehrsamt (horn) and a Zulassungsstelle (Jeroen).
Looking at the link, there's a Straßenverkehrsamt in Viersen, and a Zulassungsstelle in Kempen which are both less than an hours drive from me and I can be there before 12 on Friday - so which of them do I need to go to?

And when I get there do I ask for an uberfuhrungskenzeichen or a Kurtzeitkenzeichen? - and of course - I'm assuming I can do this a day before going to pick up the car... Is this correct? And that the seller does not have to be there with me... Is this correct too?

And I need to be there with my passport, driving license, and the VIN number of the car.

Thanks for your persistence

PS - another thought - In Germany is there no registration of ownership of a vehicle?
According to the process described above, at no point do the German authorities register that the seller is no longer the owner of the car...?!?!
Have I missed something here?

you can take your car too the RDW in veldhoven Mon-Fri from 8-12 without an apointment if you dont have insurance on that day ring the RDW in advance and they will send you a "een dags kenteken" one day reg(this takes 1 or 2 days before you receive it). then call your intended insurance broker and ask for one day insurance and quote the reg number.
After 20 years you wont have to pay any tax just the import(100euros) and MOT cost. after 4-5 days you will receive the Kentekenbewijs, take this to a licenced number plate maker. now you are ready to enjoy your porsche.

RDW: 0900-0739 ask for temp plate
Numberplate maker: De Haas. Hastelweg 21, Eindhoven

i hope this helps Martin

One funny thing is that you will have to make up the 1 day plates yourself. The RDW will send you the registration with the number and leave it to your own creativity . As stated earlier you can just use them to and from the RDW garage via the shortest way....

If you need oldtimer WA - which you can only get if you have another daily driver - go to the ANWB. I insured my 944 there for 64 Euro's per annum.

Welcome btw.

In regards to the BPM mentioned earlier (and waiting until january to avoid this), I looked at the BPM calculator on autoweek.nl, and for anything before may of 89 there is no rest-BPM anymore??
Does this have to do with the reduction of BPM on new cars?

yes, if i recall corectly it was reduced this year from 300 months(25 years) down too 234 months (19,5 years)

http://www.autobelastingen.nl/UserFiles ... el2008.pdf

Guys, one more question please:

I asked the seller for the VIN number, which I will need for getting the kurtzeitkenzeichen, and he replied with the chassis number,
So I just wanted to verify if the VIN number is the same as the chassis number?

And if not - where is the VIN number found?

Bedankt,
Jeremy

Sorry - ignore the question - rookies mistake.
5 seconds google search gave me the answer.

Bitchin'!

Hi guys - an update.
This morning I went to Germany to get the Kurtzeitkenzeichen.
It was no problem, just one correction to what was said above:
You don't need the VIN number to get the Kurtzeitkenzeichen. You get an empty form and you fill in the car details yourself.

Thanks for all your advice and help. I'll keep you updated with the rest of the process.

Still one unanswered question though:
Is there no such thing as "ownership transfer" in Germany?
I mean, here in NL you have to go to the post office to register the car in your name after you buy it. Don't you do that in Germany?
The way I understand it now, if I were take the car and run away without paying the seller, I could put my temp plates on the 'stolen' car, drive it home and register it legally here in NL...
So what have I missed?
I don't want to drive 300km to get the car and then find out there's something else that needs to be done that can't be done on a Saturday afternoon...

Thanks,
Jeremy

I dont know about Germany, but i just imported my car from the UK the seller filled in the export slip on the v5 logbook (kentekenberwijs) and sent it too the DVLA .I then registered the car in my name here in Holland at the same time as importing it by the RDW.

Good Luck Martin